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2x17: Twinning with the Witches / Exchange Students
So, the Winx head to CT for some classes... and to ask the witches to help them in their cause.
(NB: More on this aspect of the plot anon)
Unedited: Bloom: "The witches helped us fight the Trix last year." Musa: "Don't forget that they also helped the Trix fight us!" (flashback to 1x09)
Edited: Bloom: "Witches do have some good qualities." Musa: "Is ganging up on a person and humilating them a good quality?" (flashback to 1x09)
We meet two teachers.
Unedited: The two teachers introduce themselves as Edilthrude and Zarathustra.
Edited: What do you call a fairy without her wings? Dragon food.
(NB: And what do you call a fairy with her wings? Dragon food :-)
Turns out that they do also introduce themselves in 4Kids at the exact same point they do in the original script; here's what the original said at the same point:
Ediltrude: Don't your worry yourselves about that little fairies.
Zarathustra: We're just as capable as you of understanding the situation.
Ediltrude: Even more I say.
Also, 4Kids snips out a brief shot of Stella gagging)
Classroom.
Unedited: Flora asks why they don't pair off in class. As everyone else laughs at the idea, Grif replies, "Team members can betray one another. So a witch trusts no one but herself." (Mirta finds her old room, but there's no reply from Lucy.) Later, Musa and Bloom are doing good at the exercise. No reasons are given for Musa, but Bloom mentions she had a bad week.
Edited: Flora says she would take a kitten in as a pet. Everyone laughs at the idea, and Grif replies that the misery would allow her to cast skin-rot spells. (Mirta finds her old room, but Lucy wants her to stay away.) Later, Musa and Bloom are doing good at the exercise. Musa says she's using witches as her own despicable image, while Bloom mentions she had a bad week.
Given that they made a point of showing Bloom doing good at this exercise, AND (in the US) Grif mentioning "Bad things happen to those who can't control their dark energy", you'd think that Shadows in Bloom would directly play on that. (Imagines... Avalon: "She wants to know about her parents, AND she's got lots of dark energy to spare... Perfect.") Instead, we have her turning dark because of a "Shadow Virus", with no mention whatsoever of her dark energy. Last second re-write?
(NB: Turns out 4Kids also recolors Bloom's magic, which had originally been the same as the others', and has her say "Something's wrong with mine", and Grif comments that her dark magic is stronger than that of senior witches')
Fast forward to later in the library.
Unedited: Lucy: "Rumor has it that Bloom gave the witches exactly what they wanted!" Stella: "How could you say that about her???" Tecna: "Um, technically she did." Stella: "Whose side are you on?!"
Edited: The conversation is more straight to the point in the original, with Lucy mentioning that Bloom gave the witches the Dragonfire. Stella: "She does have a point." Tecna: "The Dragonfire was TAKEN!" (Stella repeats this point for Lucy)
I have a hunch that the catfight spell was not part of the original, but I can't really confirm it. I know the teacher points at Mirta saying "Everyone gets an A except Mirta", after Mirta mentions she'd been through this class with the other teacher.
The only reason that I put this here is because that tricking the Winx into performing a catfight spell on themselves is REALLY dumb when you're trying to save the universe.
(NB: Turns out 4Kids snips out Zara pointing at Mirta, and then a scene of Zing making a Harry Potter reference in a room of statues; 4Kids just skips to the next scene in the teachers' office. More on the class scene anon)
Tecna looks for the Codex. She finds the heart on her map.
Unedited: Tecna indicates the heart, but does not make the assumption that the Codex is there. (Which makes it weird that she says, "I miscalculated???" at the very start of the next episode.) The Trix come in. Tecna is invoking her transformation, but Icy's Ice Coffin precludes that from happening.
Edited: Tecna says, "All the energy flows to and from one place. The Codex must be there!" (This is with no rhyme or reason, and even SHE will admit it in the next ep.) The Trix come in. Tecna is about to attack, but Icy's Ice Coffin precludes the attack from happening. (Meanwhile, at the start of the next episode, they cut out Griffin saying "I see you've found my personal sauna", and Tecna's "miscalculated" reaction.)
(NB: Also, after Icy attacks Tecna, she originally says "Too slow"... which 4Kids changes to a somewhat-derided "Boo-yah" :-P)
(NB2: In the original, we later see Zing as Skrat from Ice Age trying to stuff an acorn into the Ice Coffin, whereas 4Kids snips it out)
Lounge! Musa gets into a fight with the witches.
Unedited: Musa simply doesn't trust the witches (see the start of the ep)
Edited: The witches insist that they don't know what she's talking about, but Musa insists she doesn't forget a face. Obviously, she is accusing them of 1x09. In either version, she then accuses them of letting the Trix get away when the Trix come and go.
If 4K's trying to make Musa look racist, they're doing a good job, since none of the witches in that scene were involved in the 1x09 incident. But why make Musa look racist? She's had enough image problems as it is (hello, hip-hop talk!).
One thing that isn't different: after Bloom invokes her transformation at the Heart, we do not get the transformation sequence.
Responses
Most of the feedback I got for the original post revolved around Musa's hate of witches:
Michael "mg_winxclub" Grant, complaining about my choice of words in calling Musa racist: Ok, was this REALLY necessary? We can't stop you from posting this in your personal journal and you enjoy slamming the 4Kids version every chance you get, but I think a line needs to be drawn with your usage of "racist" when talking about 4Kids' Winx Club, which has upset some fans (I already got several emails to come check out this thread). It's in very poor judgment IMO. I know you enjoy doing these edits postings and some people like them, even I enjoy learning about some changes, but come on, please think before you post your complaints about the 4Kids version. Thank you.
TF: Witch teacher joke! Woo! Love it. 4Kids points.
I don't think racist is really an accurate word here. Fairy vs. witch isn't a race thing, I don't think. Maybe use a less...controversial term? I do agree that Musa is being made to look VERY anti-witch. To the point of making her come off as a hateful b!tch. (I mean, Mirta exists and Musa knows it. Duh.)
Me: Yeah, it figures you'd like the Dragon Food gag.
I do agree that Musa is being made to look VERY anti-witch. To the point of making her come off as a hateful b!tch.
But if instead of those random witches, the ones who attacked her were there, what would you make of it? (Besides, "Hey, awesome continuity!")
TF: Then it would be fine. It's okay to hate people who have hurt you badly or attacked you for no real reason, but to hate everyone who's remotely like them is stupid.
ddrfan: MUSA IS NOT RACIST!
Me: Yeah, I get it already. "Racist" wasn't exactly the best word to use. Still, Musa treated all witches like they were jerks, and that bites.
Michael: You're missing the point! Remember when they all ganged up on her in Season 1 in downtown Magix? I think you weren't like all witches either if that was you. Just let it go.
(NB: As mentioned above, though, the witches Musa confronts in this ep are all different from the ones who were pursuing her in 1x09, so she really is talking out of her behind when she insists "Like I'd forget your ugly face" in 4K, whereas in the original, she responds to the witch asking her "What kind of question is that? You don't trust us, do you?" with "Of course not. You're a witch!")
A couple posts later, discussion about Zara's class led me to discover the most important 4Kids change of the episode...
Mirta and the Winx are in Zara's class.
Unedited: The Winx protest to Zara against the class they've been "set up" for, after finding out from Mirta that this class is part of dark magic class.
(NB: Or rather, this exercise is NOT part of the class Mirta had previously studied)
Edited: The Winx are arguing with each other after being tricked into spelling themselves.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. Dub Zara is being REALLY DUMB for tricking the Winx into falling out with each other.
TF: Dub Zara is being REALLY DUMB for tricking the Winx into falling out with each other.
No, she's being a witch. Welcome to Chaos 101. We love it.
Me: No, she's being a witch. Welcome to Chaos 101. We love it.
Eh, same thing. You need the fairies' help, so why would you be a witch and make them fall out with each other? It may be good entertainment, but it certainly ain't good strategy.
Heck, between the catfight spell and pairing her off with Stella instead of Layla, Musa may have some conspiracy theory going against the witches. I can imagine her saying, "I tell you, witches always look out for their own kind. They'd sooner DIE than look out for us."
TF: Were the Trix present at the time Zarathustra messed with the girls? Did the CT staff even know there was a threat? I can't remember and I'm too busy to look it up. But if not, then she has free reign to F with the silly fairies. As for the pairings, I still say it was an exercise in trying to make them harmonious. There's no way they were going to save that Codex bit anyway.
(NB: More on that last part about the pairings next post)
Me, figuring out what 4Kids did: Were the Trix present at the time Zarathustra messed with the girls?
Yes, but...
Did the CT staff even know there was a threat?
No.
However, in my version, the fairies were sent over to help CT protect its Codex bit. Apparently, you don't have that over there. Hmm...
I'd originally assumed the answers to both of TF's two questions were "yes", since that was the case in the original, but sure enough, a little digging around reveals that they've completely changed the motive for going to CT:
Unedited: FG sends the Winx to CT to protect the Codex, and Grif is offering them classes in the dark arts in return.
Edited: FG just sends them to CT to learn about the dark arts, telling them a story about a gnoll living with trolls. (4K also has Musa ask: "You know what a witch once wrote on my locker?")
This 4Kids change colors the episode overall, and results in the library scene playing out differently between the two versions:
Unedited: The Winx are trying to get the student witches to help them protect the Codex. Tecna shows the witches a picture of the Trix from her PDA. After the bit about Bloom and the Dragon Flame, Mirta warns them: "If the Trix win 'cause you didn't cooperate, what do you think Griffin will do to you?" and Bloom adds: "This is our chance to stop the Trix before they get enough power to threaten all the Magic Dimensions. Let's make Griffin and Faragonda proud!" You have to wonder what the students would have ended up thinking given the final outcome of this arc...
Edited: The Winx are trying to work with the witches on a class project. Tecna's picture of the Trix has been removed, and she talks about a kind of plant found in a certain valley instead. After the bit about Bloom and the Dragonfire, Mirta tells the witches: "Think about your differences as positive things. Think about all you can learn from each other." Bloom offers to have Stella give them a shopping spree in exchange for their help.
Later still...
Unedited: After the Trix have come across Lucy, the teachers make comments on the Winx getting the witches to help. In another class, the Winx protest to Zara against the class they've been "set up" for, after finding out from Mirta that this class isn't part of the usual dark magic class...
Mirta: Professor, that's enough!
Zarathustra: Mirta, you're interrupting the lesson.
Mirta: I took this class with professor Ediltrude last year and this exercise isn't part of it.
Bloom: Mirta? What's going on?
Mirta: She set all this up for you guys.
Stella: What?
Musa: That's not fair!
Zarathustra: Well... The lesson was almost over anyway. Everyone gets an 'A', except Mirta. (pointing at her)
Edited: The teachers' scene has been removed, and the Winx are tricked into spelling themselves with the catfight spell...
Mirta: Stop, Professor! That's enough!
Zarathustra: Never interrupt the meditation.
Mirta: She's trying to spell you into getting into fights with each other. This isn't part of the course.
Bloom: What?! Really?!
Mirta: That was a cat-fight spell, you guys.
Stella: What?!
Musa: That's not cool!
Zarathustra: True. But I do believe the spell has already worked on you.
They snip out Zara pointing at Mirta, and Bloom later mentions it when Stella splits off on her own: "Looks like that cat-fight spell did have an effect on us."
Again, they were unaware of the threat in 4Kids, but certainly would have known in the original, because that was the whole point of their visit... It seems bad form to take away their awareness of the threat just so Zara could have "free reign to F with the silly fairies" in her class :-\
2x17: Twinning with the Witches / Exchange Students
So, the Winx head to CT for some classes... and to ask the witches to help them in their cause.
(NB: More on this aspect of the plot anon)
Unedited: Bloom: "The witches helped us fight the Trix last year." Musa: "Don't forget that they also helped the Trix fight us!" (flashback to 1x09)
Edited: Bloom: "Witches do have some good qualities." Musa: "Is ganging up on a person and humilating them a good quality?" (flashback to 1x09)
We meet two teachers.
Unedited: The two teachers introduce themselves as Edilthrude and Zarathustra.
Edited: What do you call a fairy without her wings? Dragon food.
(NB: And what do you call a fairy with her wings? Dragon food :-)
Turns out that they do also introduce themselves in 4Kids at the exact same point they do in the original script; here's what the original said at the same point:
Ediltrude: Don't your worry yourselves about that little fairies.
Zarathustra: We're just as capable as you of understanding the situation.
Ediltrude: Even more I say.
Also, 4Kids snips out a brief shot of Stella gagging)
Classroom.
Unedited: Flora asks why they don't pair off in class. As everyone else laughs at the idea, Grif replies, "Team members can betray one another. So a witch trusts no one but herself." (Mirta finds her old room, but there's no reply from Lucy.) Later, Musa and Bloom are doing good at the exercise. No reasons are given for Musa, but Bloom mentions she had a bad week.
Edited: Flora says she would take a kitten in as a pet. Everyone laughs at the idea, and Grif replies that the misery would allow her to cast skin-rot spells. (Mirta finds her old room, but Lucy wants her to stay away.) Later, Musa and Bloom are doing good at the exercise. Musa says she's using witches as her own despicable image, while Bloom mentions she had a bad week.
Given that they made a point of showing Bloom doing good at this exercise, AND (in the US) Grif mentioning "Bad things happen to those who can't control their dark energy", you'd think that Shadows in Bloom would directly play on that. (Imagines... Avalon: "She wants to know about her parents, AND she's got lots of dark energy to spare... Perfect.") Instead, we have her turning dark because of a "Shadow Virus", with no mention whatsoever of her dark energy. Last second re-write?
(NB: Turns out 4Kids also recolors Bloom's magic, which had originally been the same as the others', and has her say "Something's wrong with mine", and Grif comments that her dark magic is stronger than that of senior witches')
Fast forward to later in the library.
Unedited: Lucy: "Rumor has it that Bloom gave the witches exactly what they wanted!" Stella: "How could you say that about her???" Tecna: "Um, technically she did." Stella: "Whose side are you on?!"
Edited: The conversation is more straight to the point in the original, with Lucy mentioning that Bloom gave the witches the Dragonfire. Stella: "She does have a point." Tecna: "The Dragonfire was TAKEN!" (Stella repeats this point for Lucy)
I have a hunch that the catfight spell was not part of the original, but I can't really confirm it. I know the teacher points at Mirta saying "Everyone gets an A except Mirta", after Mirta mentions she'd been through this class with the other teacher.
The only reason that I put this here is because that tricking the Winx into performing a catfight spell on themselves is REALLY dumb when you're trying to save the universe.
(NB: Turns out 4Kids snips out Zara pointing at Mirta, and then a scene of Zing making a Harry Potter reference in a room of statues; 4Kids just skips to the next scene in the teachers' office. More on the class scene anon)
Tecna looks for the Codex. She finds the heart on her map.
Unedited: Tecna indicates the heart, but does not make the assumption that the Codex is there. (Which makes it weird that she says, "I miscalculated???" at the very start of the next episode.) The Trix come in. Tecna is invoking her transformation, but Icy's Ice Coffin precludes that from happening.
Edited: Tecna says, "All the energy flows to and from one place. The Codex must be there!" (This is with no rhyme or reason, and even SHE will admit it in the next ep.) The Trix come in. Tecna is about to attack, but Icy's Ice Coffin precludes the attack from happening. (Meanwhile, at the start of the next episode, they cut out Griffin saying "I see you've found my personal sauna", and Tecna's "miscalculated" reaction.)
(NB: Also, after Icy attacks Tecna, she originally says "Too slow"... which 4Kids changes to a somewhat-derided "Boo-yah" :-P)
(NB2: In the original, we later see Zing as Skrat from Ice Age trying to stuff an acorn into the Ice Coffin, whereas 4Kids snips it out)
Lounge! Musa gets into a fight with the witches.
Unedited: Musa simply doesn't trust the witches (see the start of the ep)
Edited: The witches insist that they don't know what she's talking about, but Musa insists she doesn't forget a face. Obviously, she is accusing them of 1x09. In either version, she then accuses them of letting the Trix get away when the Trix come and go.
If 4K's trying to make Musa look racist, they're doing a good job, since none of the witches in that scene were involved in the 1x09 incident. But why make Musa look racist? She's had enough image problems as it is (hello, hip-hop talk!).
One thing that isn't different: after Bloom invokes her transformation at the Heart, we do not get the transformation sequence.
Responses
Most of the feedback I got for the original post revolved around Musa's hate of witches:
Michael "mg_winxclub" Grant, complaining about my choice of words in calling Musa racist: Ok, was this REALLY necessary? We can't stop you from posting this in your personal journal and you enjoy slamming the 4Kids version every chance you get, but I think a line needs to be drawn with your usage of "racist" when talking about 4Kids' Winx Club, which has upset some fans (I already got several emails to come check out this thread). It's in very poor judgment IMO. I know you enjoy doing these edits postings and some people like them, even I enjoy learning about some changes, but come on, please think before you post your complaints about the 4Kids version. Thank you.
TF: Witch teacher joke! Woo! Love it. 4Kids points.
I don't think racist is really an accurate word here. Fairy vs. witch isn't a race thing, I don't think. Maybe use a less...controversial term? I do agree that Musa is being made to look VERY anti-witch. To the point of making her come off as a hateful b!tch. (I mean, Mirta exists and Musa knows it. Duh.)
Me: Yeah, it figures you'd like the Dragon Food gag.
I do agree that Musa is being made to look VERY anti-witch. To the point of making her come off as a hateful b!tch.
But if instead of those random witches, the ones who attacked her were there, what would you make of it? (Besides, "Hey, awesome continuity!")
TF: Then it would be fine. It's okay to hate people who have hurt you badly or attacked you for no real reason, but to hate everyone who's remotely like them is stupid.
ddrfan: MUSA IS NOT RACIST!
Me: Yeah, I get it already. "Racist" wasn't exactly the best word to use. Still, Musa treated all witches like they were jerks, and that bites.
Michael: You're missing the point! Remember when they all ganged up on her in Season 1 in downtown Magix? I think you weren't like all witches either if that was you. Just let it go.
(NB: As mentioned above, though, the witches Musa confronts in this ep are all different from the ones who were pursuing her in 1x09, so she really is talking out of her behind when she insists "Like I'd forget your ugly face" in 4K, whereas in the original, she responds to the witch asking her "What kind of question is that? You don't trust us, do you?" with "Of course not. You're a witch!")
A couple posts later, discussion about Zara's class led me to discover the most important 4Kids change of the episode...
Mirta and the Winx are in Zara's class.
Unedited: The Winx protest to Zara against the class they've been "set up" for, after finding out from Mirta that this class is part of dark magic class.
(NB: Or rather, this exercise is NOT part of the class Mirta had previously studied)
Edited: The Winx are arguing with each other after being tricked into spelling themselves.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. Dub Zara is being REALLY DUMB for tricking the Winx into falling out with each other.
TF: Dub Zara is being REALLY DUMB for tricking the Winx into falling out with each other.
No, she's being a witch. Welcome to Chaos 101. We love it.
Me: No, she's being a witch. Welcome to Chaos 101. We love it.
Eh, same thing. You need the fairies' help, so why would you be a witch and make them fall out with each other? It may be good entertainment, but it certainly ain't good strategy.
Heck, between the catfight spell and pairing her off with Stella instead of Layla, Musa may have some conspiracy theory going against the witches. I can imagine her saying, "I tell you, witches always look out for their own kind. They'd sooner DIE than look out for us."
TF: Were the Trix present at the time Zarathustra messed with the girls? Did the CT staff even know there was a threat? I can't remember and I'm too busy to look it up. But if not, then she has free reign to F with the silly fairies. As for the pairings, I still say it was an exercise in trying to make them harmonious. There's no way they were going to save that Codex bit anyway.
(NB: More on that last part about the pairings next post)
Me, figuring out what 4Kids did: Were the Trix present at the time Zarathustra messed with the girls?
Yes, but...
Did the CT staff even know there was a threat?
No.
However, in my version, the fairies were sent over to help CT protect its Codex bit. Apparently, you don't have that over there. Hmm...
I'd originally assumed the answers to both of TF's two questions were "yes", since that was the case in the original, but sure enough, a little digging around reveals that they've completely changed the motive for going to CT:
Unedited: FG sends the Winx to CT to protect the Codex, and Grif is offering them classes in the dark arts in return.
Edited: FG just sends them to CT to learn about the dark arts, telling them a story about a gnoll living with trolls. (4K also has Musa ask: "You know what a witch once wrote on my locker?")
This 4Kids change colors the episode overall, and results in the library scene playing out differently between the two versions:
Unedited: The Winx are trying to get the student witches to help them protect the Codex. Tecna shows the witches a picture of the Trix from her PDA. After the bit about Bloom and the Dragon Flame, Mirta warns them: "If the Trix win 'cause you didn't cooperate, what do you think Griffin will do to you?" and Bloom adds: "This is our chance to stop the Trix before they get enough power to threaten all the Magic Dimensions. Let's make Griffin and Faragonda proud!" You have to wonder what the students would have ended up thinking given the final outcome of this arc...
Edited: The Winx are trying to work with the witches on a class project. Tecna's picture of the Trix has been removed, and she talks about a kind of plant found in a certain valley instead. After the bit about Bloom and the Dragonfire, Mirta tells the witches: "Think about your differences as positive things. Think about all you can learn from each other." Bloom offers to have Stella give them a shopping spree in exchange for their help.
Later still...
Unedited: After the Trix have come across Lucy, the teachers make comments on the Winx getting the witches to help. In another class, the Winx protest to Zara against the class they've been "set up" for, after finding out from Mirta that this class isn't part of the usual dark magic class...
Mirta: Professor, that's enough!
Zarathustra: Mirta, you're interrupting the lesson.
Mirta: I took this class with professor Ediltrude last year and this exercise isn't part of it.
Bloom: Mirta? What's going on?
Mirta: She set all this up for you guys.
Stella: What?
Musa: That's not fair!
Zarathustra: Well... The lesson was almost over anyway. Everyone gets an 'A', except Mirta. (pointing at her)
Edited: The teachers' scene has been removed, and the Winx are tricked into spelling themselves with the catfight spell...
Mirta: Stop, Professor! That's enough!
Zarathustra: Never interrupt the meditation.
Mirta: She's trying to spell you into getting into fights with each other. This isn't part of the course.
Bloom: What?! Really?!
Mirta: That was a cat-fight spell, you guys.
Stella: What?!
Musa: That's not cool!
Zarathustra: True. But I do believe the spell has already worked on you.
They snip out Zara pointing at Mirta, and Bloom later mentions it when Stella splits off on her own: "Looks like that cat-fight spell did have an effect on us."
Again, they were unaware of the threat in 4Kids, but certainly would have known in the original, because that was the whole point of their visit... It seems bad form to take away their awareness of the threat just so Zara could have "free reign to F with the silly fairies" in her class :-\
