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spiderbraids2x23: The Time for Truth / Darkness and Light
The Winx are back from their vacation. Let's see what's different about them now.
Tecna and Bloom have their first Charmix transforms. And I still think it sounds off that the fairy who got her Charmix FIFTH is having her first transformation at the same time as the one who got hers first. This is during Avalon and Griz's exercise.
Unedited: They're fighting a monster. Griz reminds them they'll have to face LD eventually. Bloom positions the Winx in front of the monster to wait for her signal, and then they get attacked from the back. Musa then decides to bring on the Charmix.
Edited: They're fighting the monster. Griz tells them that they need to use their Charmix. Bloom agrees. But then they just stand there and get attacked from the back first. Okay, now it's Charmix time!
I know that some of you probably like the 4K cut for subverting the convention, but it just looks unnatural for me. It makes sense if they're waiting for a signal. Besides, I like the idea of Musa giving the Charmix call. Why would someone who has never used her Charmix before give the call, anyway?
(NB: Had plenty of discussion about this in the responses with tanz_fanatika: I thought it was lame, she thought "That's how leadership tends to work." She seemed somewhat surprised that Bloom wasn't the first to use her Charmix, and also wrote of Bloom not using it in the Wildlands: "Bloom not using her Charmix first isn't the same as her not using it at all. I don't know if I'd have been surprised at all if she wasn't the first to use it. I would have appreciated someone else getting to go first. But for her to not use it at all, that IS d@mn surprising." She actually considered it one of the most surprising things she saw in Winx, a solid 10/10, up there with Cloud Tower being revealed as a living thing)
(NB2: TF thought it was hilariously subversive of them to have Bloom say "Alright girls, Charmix time" so as to lead-in to the transformation... only for their opponent to suddenly teleport behind them during their "posturing" [TF's words] and attack them before they can get going, but as mentioned above she's actually trying to position the girls in the original; also, 4Kids snips about a second or so of Stella fluttering off the floor after the attack)
Later...
Unedited: Griz is commending Stella, and the rest of the group on how they performed in this exam, and Francis comes in and calls them to FG's room.
Edited: Griz lays down parameters for their next exam (twice as tough, 3 minute time limit), and then Francis comes in.
I dunno... while it's good for them to keep training, Griz putting her hand on Stella's shoulder and the other girls smiling totally says "I'm commending you" rather than "here's what your next exam will be". (Yeah, I complain when the new dialog doesn't match what I see. I prefer Tecna yelling at Bloom over giving the Trix the ring without a fight, over Tecna yelling at Bloom over... bungling the mixing of a potion. Honestly! That's one of the reasons I didn't like the "potion" edit in 1x05, another being that you don't even see anyone doing anything potion-related.)
Besides, it's not every day you see Griz actually saying something nice to them. This is from the jerk who wouldn't let them explain why they went to CT, or (as a result) go to a concert that everyone else at Alfea was going to.
Over in the village... Flora has no idea what to do with the Tree of Life, especially since she has no Charmix.
Unedited: Jolly is giving Amore a reading. "The cards say that you're never going to get better."
Edited: Jolly's readings now say that she will never fall in love.
I just know there are some fans of irony who probably prefer this version. But why give a reading about falling in love, when you're sick as a dog?
Things that should have been different:
1. Flora should have re-mentioned the "girls don't make the first move" rule (2x13) as why she won't tell Helia, instead of saying "I don't know if he feels the same way about me"... heck, they could have tied the two together.
2. There should have been some mention somewhere about the Truth Orb Tecna shot at Fake!Avalon (2x09). Not that it makes this plotline any less bull (because, why mention that a spell cast a half-season ago was performed wrong? It'd still reek of manure to me), but it would have been nice...
(NB: And of course, I already posted about the whole mess that Sphere of Truth change caused)
Random note: Except for Tecna saying "I've always been suspicious of Avalon", Tecna isn't all "HA! I was right!" about hearing about Fake!Avalon.
(NB: Added in a later comment:)
Unedited: Flora says "I love you" to Helia.
Edited: Flora says "I really like you" to Helia.
I dunno... there's a huge difference "to like" and "to love" (how many plots have there been that a person would rather be loved than just liked?).
(NB: Well, that seemed a bit random; I'm sure it made sense at the time)
Responses:
The only edit-related comment TF made was about the Flora/Helia part:
TF: Switching Flora's love to like makes the relationship a teense more realistic. Excellent change. To tell someone you barely know that you love them is false love. You can't love someone you don't know.
TF, of Flora taking back the letter in 2x13: Flora taking the letter back is chickensh!t. I so hate that so-called relationship.
(NB: And S3 failed to give her much reason to change her tune on that relationship, either :-\)
Found later:
- As Flora is watching Helia's ship take off, the 4Kids version snips out a brief flashback to earlier in the episode of Helia propping her up
- In the original, both Avalons have the same white outfit, but in 4Kids, the real Avalon has had his outfit colored purple... And Stella talks about how quickly he changed his clothes :-)
Just noticed that I haven't done 2x24 and 25 yet, but I think I just might be able to get it in on the day :-)
The Winx are back from their vacation. Let's see what's different about them now.
Tecna and Bloom have their first Charmix transforms. And I still think it sounds off that the fairy who got her Charmix FIFTH is having her first transformation at the same time as the one who got hers first. This is during Avalon and Griz's exercise.
Unedited: They're fighting a monster. Griz reminds them they'll have to face LD eventually. Bloom positions the Winx in front of the monster to wait for her signal, and then they get attacked from the back. Musa then decides to bring on the Charmix.
Edited: They're fighting the monster. Griz tells them that they need to use their Charmix. Bloom agrees. But then they just stand there and get attacked from the back first. Okay, now it's Charmix time!
I know that some of you probably like the 4K cut for subverting the convention, but it just looks unnatural for me. It makes sense if they're waiting for a signal. Besides, I like the idea of Musa giving the Charmix call. Why would someone who has never used her Charmix before give the call, anyway?
(NB: Had plenty of discussion about this in the responses with tanz_fanatika: I thought it was lame, she thought "That's how leadership tends to work." She seemed somewhat surprised that Bloom wasn't the first to use her Charmix, and also wrote of Bloom not using it in the Wildlands: "Bloom not using her Charmix first isn't the same as her not using it at all. I don't know if I'd have been surprised at all if she wasn't the first to use it. I would have appreciated someone else getting to go first. But for her to not use it at all, that IS d@mn surprising." She actually considered it one of the most surprising things she saw in Winx, a solid 10/10, up there with Cloud Tower being revealed as a living thing)
(NB2: TF thought it was hilariously subversive of them to have Bloom say "Alright girls, Charmix time" so as to lead-in to the transformation... only for their opponent to suddenly teleport behind them during their "posturing" [TF's words] and attack them before they can get going, but as mentioned above she's actually trying to position the girls in the original; also, 4Kids snips about a second or so of Stella fluttering off the floor after the attack)
Later...
Unedited: Griz is commending Stella, and the rest of the group on how they performed in this exam, and Francis comes in and calls them to FG's room.
Edited: Griz lays down parameters for their next exam (twice as tough, 3 minute time limit), and then Francis comes in.
I dunno... while it's good for them to keep training, Griz putting her hand on Stella's shoulder and the other girls smiling totally says "I'm commending you" rather than "here's what your next exam will be". (Yeah, I complain when the new dialog doesn't match what I see. I prefer Tecna yelling at Bloom over giving the Trix the ring without a fight, over Tecna yelling at Bloom over... bungling the mixing of a potion. Honestly! That's one of the reasons I didn't like the "potion" edit in 1x05, another being that you don't even see anyone doing anything potion-related.)
Besides, it's not every day you see Griz actually saying something nice to them. This is from the jerk who wouldn't let them explain why they went to CT, or (as a result) go to a concert that everyone else at Alfea was going to.
Over in the village... Flora has no idea what to do with the Tree of Life, especially since she has no Charmix.
Unedited: Jolly is giving Amore a reading. "The cards say that you're never going to get better."
Edited: Jolly's readings now say that she will never fall in love.
I just know there are some fans of irony who probably prefer this version. But why give a reading about falling in love, when you're sick as a dog?
Things that should have been different:
1. Flora should have re-mentioned the "girls don't make the first move" rule (2x13) as why she won't tell Helia, instead of saying "I don't know if he feels the same way about me"... heck, they could have tied the two together.
2. There should have been some mention somewhere about the Truth Orb Tecna shot at Fake!Avalon (2x09). Not that it makes this plotline any less bull (because, why mention that a spell cast a half-season ago was performed wrong? It'd still reek of manure to me), but it would have been nice...
(NB: And of course, I already posted about the whole mess that Sphere of Truth change caused)
Random note: Except for Tecna saying "I've always been suspicious of Avalon", Tecna isn't all "HA! I was right!" about hearing about Fake!Avalon.
(NB: Added in a later comment:)
Unedited: Flora says "I love you" to Helia.
Edited: Flora says "I really like you" to Helia.
I dunno... there's a huge difference "to like" and "to love" (how many plots have there been that a person would rather be loved than just liked?).
(NB: Well, that seemed a bit random; I'm sure it made sense at the time)
Responses:
The only edit-related comment TF made was about the Flora/Helia part:
TF: Switching Flora's love to like makes the relationship a teense more realistic. Excellent change. To tell someone you barely know that you love them is false love. You can't love someone you don't know.
TF, of Flora taking back the letter in 2x13: Flora taking the letter back is chickensh!t. I so hate that so-called relationship.
(NB: And S3 failed to give her much reason to change her tune on that relationship, either :-\)
Found later:
- As Flora is watching Helia's ship take off, the 4Kids version snips out a brief flashback to earlier in the episode of Helia propping her up
- In the original, both Avalons have the same white outfit, but in 4Kids, the real Avalon has had his outfit colored purple... And Stella talks about how quickly he changed his clothes :-)
Just noticed that I haven't done 2x24 and 25 yet, but I think I just might be able to get it in on the day :-)
